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Kociii
05-14-2015, 01:05 AM
Just wanna put it here :P Do you think they will try to take down as many botters as possible to get back more manually players?
In my opinion I think it's both good and bad. If they take care of many botters people will have the feeling that no one is using a program to gain theirs levels like war.
Then they need to get back the level manually and not by botting it all back easy as a pie xD

http://i.imgur.com/t21Yknh.png

Elvang
05-14-2015, 04:17 AM
9k players online, seems to be working well.

Kociii
05-14-2015, 09:20 AM
9k players online, seems to be working well.

I might not work for now hehe :P But hopefully it will be more players joining with less botters xD

Ryszard
05-14-2015, 02:58 PM
New detection system, or just bug (invisible crypt shamblers/demon skeletons)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDcYaEuVFA&feature=youtu.be

Kociii
05-14-2015, 03:10 PM
New detection system, or just bug (invisible crypt shamblers/demon skeletons)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDcYaEuVFA&feature=youtu.be

Damn, that COMBO on him xD

dnalyks
05-14-2015, 03:21 PM
New detection system, or just bug (invisible crypt shamblers/demon skeletons)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDcYaEuVFA&feature=youtu.be

No one bots there so pointless putting there, maybe just bug

Ryszard
05-14-2015, 03:24 PM
No one bots there so pointless putting there, maybe just bug

Why not, I saw people offering scripts for spikes (on windbot/ibot).

dnalyks
05-14-2015, 04:14 PM
Why not, I saw people offering scripts for spikes (on windbot/ibot).

True, might be scripts but mostly manuals there on the servers I hunted but its weird anyway lol

Y2Quakepc2
05-14-2015, 04:16 PM
We might be less, but we're way to stronk


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/28619/574926-300_movie03.jpg

DarkstaR
05-14-2015, 05:00 PM
There's no way that the bots people are used to could be undetectable. Making bots undetectable would set their potency back about 4 years, and people don't want that, and that's an advantage for Cipsoft. Now iBot and Windbot are showing that their "undetectable" bullshit is a complete lie. Fuck me for not being so dishonest with my marketing, preferring instead to stick by my technical accuracy.

Tibia is dying, they probably just want to die with dignity, so now they're banning all of the accounts they couldn't afford to ban before.

Janado
05-18-2015, 01:23 PM
I agree in all with u say. DarkstaR

Janado
05-18-2015, 01:23 PM
I agree in all with u say. DarkstaR

anoyn
05-18-2015, 07:06 PM
My guess is the cipsoft is deleting cheaters for steam release. They are essentially trading botters for new steam players

spnwee
05-18-2015, 07:41 PM
I botted a 35ek facc in thais undead and get deleted XD

texmex47
05-19-2015, 12:23 PM
I used Xenobot for 2 years, never got deleted. I then switched to WindBot for 4 months because everyone was hyping about it "OMG GET WINDBOT!", and bam I got deleted. Not only that, I could not chat while botting. WindBot might have good features built-in, but the way WindBot works is just pure shit to be honest. EVERY single "life thread" on WindBot forum ends in a deletion. Now I am back with Xenobot and rocking this muthafucka! Fuck WindBot, was biggest waste of my life. Lost 7 accounts in 5 months. It's the first time I EVER got deleted. I botted since TibiaBot NG in 2007, and WindBot was the first time.

I never used iBot because I always thought that was the shittiest one ever from what I heard, so idk about that one. But I am guessing it's even worse than WindBot.

Not to mention that WindBot and iBot costs more than Xenobot.

This proves that the whole "control keyboard and mouse" shit is bullshit. Neobot was godlike when it came out and back then that stuff works.

Xenobot is cheaper.
Xenobot never got me deleted.
Xenobot allows me to chat while botting (im always active in english+help channel - which I think might LOWER the chance of deletion).
I always hunt smart, it's not like I type full paragraphs while hunting cus thats impossible, but Im ALWAYS in chats.
People in help channel never get deleted from what I've seen.

Earlier, when I just started WindBot, I wanted Xenobot to get such features, but now I just wanna say: DONT CHANGE XENOBOT. IT'S GOOD AS IT IS.
FUCK WINDBOT, FUCK IBOT, FUCK REDBOT, FUCK NEUTRALBOT, FUCK BBOT, FUCK BLACKD AND FUCK TIBIAAUTO

Xenobot might not have all the features or be the fastest one, but it sure as hell gets the job done and is better in the long run

DarkstaR
05-20-2015, 08:22 PM
Xenobot might not have all the features or be the fastest one, but it sure as hell gets the job done and is better in the long run


We might lack some feature's, but we're definitely faster in all respects (CPU usage, updates, etc)

Y2Quakepc2
05-20-2015, 08:29 PM
We might lack some feature's, but we're definitely faster in all respects (CPU usage, updates, etc)

win the reconnecter race PLIX

Or does wb one work already?

iMike
05-21-2015, 12:52 AM
"Tibia is dying, they probably just want to die with dignity, so now they're banning all of the accounts they couldn't afford to ban before."






DarkstaR

Jesseh
05-21-2015, 08:08 PM
There's no way that the bots people are used to could be undetectable. Making bots undetectable would set their potency back about 4 years, and people don't want that, and that's an advantage for Cipsoft. Now iBot and Windbot are showing that their "undetectable" bullshit is a complete lie. Fuck me for not being so dishonest with my marketing, preferring instead to stick by my technical accuracy.

Tibia is dying, they probably just want to die with dignity, so now they're banning all of the accounts they couldn't afford to ban before.

DarkstaR, I've never used Xeno because when I registered here I didn't used the trial, didn't knew it was tied to your registration date, and now it's gone, but I believe it works basically as Wind detection-wise (the one I use now because I already have many self-made randomized scripts).

What do you think about all those papers on MMORPG's server sided detection methods around?

https://etrij.etri.re.kr/etrij/journal/getPublishedPaperFile.do?fileId=SPF-1385635263573
https://wiki.umn.edu/pub/UmmCSciSeniorSeminar/Fall2013PapersAndTalks/Camera_Ready_Phou_Lee.pdf
http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1166&context=infotech_pubs
http://www.eurecom.fr/en/publication/2860/download/rs-publi-2860.pdf
http://www.syssec-project.eu/m/page-media/3/platzer-icics11.pdf
http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/~swc/pub/bot_identification.html
http://hiroshi1.hongo.wide.ad.jp/hiroshi/papers/2013/mishima_AINA2013.pdf

Many of them can be applied to Tibia, and it links deletions to the way people are botting (too much static).

Y2Quakepc2
05-21-2015, 08:25 PM
I don't agree with nick.

Tibia has not shown any kind of dignity behaviour since they started as a company 15 years ago, and i don't see a reason for them to do it.

Some may say Ocera's move deleting the complete guild was a move of dignity.

I call that propaganda, the neutral manual players believed they had the support of cipsoft against botters and they bought their loyalty for a while.

DarkstaR
05-21-2015, 08:44 PM
DarkstaR, I've never used Xeno because when I registered here I didn't used the trial, didn't knew it was tied to your registration date, and now it's gone, but I believe it works basically as Wind detection-wise (the one I use now because I already have many self-made randomized scripts).

What do you think about all those papers on MMORPG's server sided detection methods around?

https://etrij.etri.re.kr/etrij/journal/getPublishedPaperFile.do?fileId=SPF-1385635263573
https://wiki.umn.edu/pub/UmmCSciSeniorSeminar/Fall2013PapersAndTalks/Camera_Ready_Phou_Lee.pdf
http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1166&context=infotech_pubs
http://www.eurecom.fr/en/publication/2860/download/rs-publi-2860.pdf
http://www.syssec-project.eu/m/page-media/3/platzer-icics11.pdf
http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/~swc/pub/bot_identification.html
http://hiroshi1.hongo.wide.ad.jp/hiroshi/papers/2013/mishima_AINA2013.pdf

Many of them can be applied to Tibia, and it links deletions to the way people are botting (too much static).

Yes, I think Tibia is using sever-sided heuristics (logistic regression or even ANNs) to detect bots. XenoBot stands up to this in many ways: timing randomization (healing and such) and walking randomization (nodes and weak nodes) are two of the major ways. Other things that make XenoBot safer is the prevention of absurdly fast actions (no other bots do this), lack of an after-death relogger (I often state my reasons for this), and a very human-like spell shooter (sometimes casting when exhausted, sometimes shooting a less-optimal GFB, sometimes trying to shoot through walls; all of these things are never done by other bots).

Little variations in all of these actions steeply degrades the integrity of ML-base detection algorithms. This is because the ML-based heuristics used in bot detection are designed for one purpose: classification. Typically, for this implementation, there are two classifications: bots and non-bots. Because XenoBot behaves differently than other bots, it adds a lot of noise to the "bot" classification during training and makes it hard to select from prime components, even when using certain types of feature selection such as PCA or random forest. Not to mention, XenoBot is much smaller (user-wise) than WindBot, so CipSoft would likely optimize their training set to improve their classification of Windbot, not XenoBot.

Of course, there's an alternative. Their classification engine might have many outputs: non-bot, XenoBot, WindBot, iBot, and BBot. In this case, however, the problem becomes much harder. For each new classification, you double the amount of nodes and synapses in the network (I'm assuming they use an ANN, here, as the features wouldn't fit well with logistic regression). That means: training time is exponentially harder, as the network must be fine-tuned using multiple rounds of feedback; processing takes more time, as the network has far more connections to evaluate; and detection has a higher false-positive rate, as you increase the chance of mis-classification for every class you have.

Of course, this is all speculative and highly summarized to be at least somewhat digestible for an audience that is not well-versed in machine learning or computational neuroscience. In the general sense, though, the assumptions herein are correct, and I stand by these reasons for why XenoBot is better at resisting detection than other bots (namely: WindBot).

Jesseh
05-21-2015, 09:01 PM
That's the one of the first posts I see with really useful content about detection methods on bot forums. Nice to hear your opinion on this. I think a lot about the behaviour of all botters and the behaviour of someone standing between total botter and human player. I try to implement many human-like things on my scripts so I can be on a different class and it makes harder to get me detected.

Everyone making their own scripts seems to help in not getting deleted too as people will hunt somewhat differently.

All you said makes sense when people do more randomized waypoints like shadowart and stay way longer undetected on their radar too.

I'm still in doubt about botting with MC, if the fact the CIP knows your GPU + IP could mean detection more easily, I tend not to use it because of that.

Joey
05-25-2015, 02:25 PM
I just lost all my accounts for the second time in 4 months :)

Infernal Bolt
05-26-2015, 07:42 AM
I just lost all my accounts for the second time in 4 months :)

aww shit