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Sam
10-09-2014, 08:07 PM
AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache
Asus GTX750Ti OC GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Corsair CX Series CX500M Modular Power Supply
Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan
RipjawsX Series 8GB PC3-12800 Dual Channel DDR3

It will cost me roughly $600CAD + the price of case, monitor and windows 8.1

jo3bingham
10-09-2014, 08:24 PM
Get a SSD. You'll be glad you did.

Y2Quakepc2
10-09-2014, 08:28 PM
i'd change the processor tho

GodlikeOo
10-09-2014, 08:32 PM
Change the CPU, get a SSD (120GB Samsung EVO 840 is a kinda good one for small monies) with the 1TB HDD, also I would take G.Skill 8GB 1600mhz for that setup, for the CPU I would recommend a FX-8350, shouldn't be that much more monies for you.

Sam
10-09-2014, 08:47 PM
What's the point of SSD? Why change the CPU? This seems like the best one for a budget-build. I don't really want to spend more money.

soul4soul
10-09-2014, 09:02 PM
What's the point of SSD? Why change the CPU? This seems like the best one for a budget-build. I don't really want to spend more money.
SSD read/writes are WAY faster then a HDD. a HDD is a mechanical device with a physical spinning disk. When you try to access the disk much spin to location where the file is so the read/write head can get to it. if the file is fragmented the disk will need to spin even more, this process is sometimes called "seeking". In compassion a SSD is all electrical reading bits from flash storage memory cells with no or little "seeking" time. Search from youtube videos to see the different SSD vs HDD speed text. or SSD vs 5400RPM HDD vs 7200RPM HDD.

SSD are well worth the price. get a 128GB~ SDD, for you OS if you want more storage buy a 1TB HDD.

Sam
10-09-2014, 09:07 PM
SSD read/writes are WAY faster then a HDD. a HDD is a mechanical device with a physical spinning disk. When you try to access the disk much spin to location where the file is so the read/write head can get to it. if the file is fragmented the disk will need to spin even more, this process is sometimes called "seeking". In compassion a SSD is all electrical reading bits from flash storage memory cells with no or little "seeking" time. Search from youtube videos to see the different SSD vs HDD speed text. or SSD vs 5400RPM HDD vs 7200RPM HDD.

SSD are well worth the price. get a 128GB~ SDD, for you OS if you want more storage buy a 1TB HDD.
Thanks man. I found a 120GB Samsung SSD. Do you think I should get this alongside the 1TB HDD I have planned and load the OS onto the SSD?

Also, is it really worth the extra 80$ to upgrade from an FX 6300 to an FX 8350?

soul4soul
10-09-2014, 09:14 PM
Thanks man. I found a 120GB Samsung SSD. Do you think I should get this alongside the 1TB HDD I have planned and load the OS onto the SSD?

Also, is it really worth the extra 80$ to upgrade from an FX 6300 to an FX 8350?
a 1TB HDD isnt required. You have several options and it all depends on your needs :)

[* ]What HDD is in your current system maybe you can re purpose it? If it is SATAII or SATAIII you could use it in your new build, Even if its smaller then 1TB itll be extra storage for videos and music.
Do you have a cloud storage account (eg. onedrive, dropbox, or googledrive) with enough space for any files your looking to save?
Do you have a NAS set up in your house?

If you have a lot of data you need saved and answered "NO" to all of the above questions you should probably buy a 1TB HDD.

soul4soul
10-09-2014, 09:15 PM
Thanks man. I found a 120GB Samsung SSD. Do you think I should get this alongside the 1TB HDD I have planned and load the OS onto the SSD?

Also, is it really worth the extra 80$ to upgrade from an FX 6300 to an FX 8350?
a 1TB HDD isnt required. You have several options and it all depends on your needs :)


What HDD is in your current system maybe you can re purpose it? If it is SATAII or SATAIII you could use it in your new build, Even if its smaller then 1TB itll be extra storage for videos and music.
Do you have a cloud storage account (eg. onedrive, dropbox, or googledrive) with enough space for any files your looking to save?
Do you have a NAS set up in your house?

If you have a lot of data you need saved and answered "NO" to all of the above questions you should probably buy a 1TB HDD.

Sam
10-09-2014, 09:17 PM
I don't have a computer right now, I'm using a macbook.

I think I'd be fine with a 500GB HDD as a means of storage, but I really don't think its much different in price.
soul4soul

soul4soul
10-09-2014, 09:22 PM
I don't have a computer right now, I'm using a macbook.

I think I'd be fine with a 500GB HDD as a means of storage, but I really don't think its much different in price.
@soul4soul (http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=560)
Id get at least a 1TB HDD, the price is hardly any different as you pointed out and it will last. (Personally I no longer buy new HDDs smaller then 1TB anymore.)


About your cpu. Again it depends on your needs but the FX-6300 will likely handle anything you will throw at it. Are you doing any CPU intensive tasks such as compiling very large programs, computing math problems, solving algorithms, or running any CAD software? If you answered no to all those then the FX-6300 is a great CPU for you, it can handle games and daily "multi-tasking" computer work. Personally I think the FX-6300 CPU sold by AMD is a great choice, most people dont NEED 8 cores and a $150+ processor.

Y2Quakepc2
10-09-2014, 09:46 PM
fx 8320 is cheap too, and way better mate

GodlikeOo
10-09-2014, 10:37 PM
Yea, 320 is a nice one aswell. I got that one myself. When it comes to playing games like Shadows of Mordor you'll def. need a good CPU. Also you can "unpark" the cores so everything will use every core, not just 2 or 4.
I got the Samsung EVO 840 120GB, why 120GB? Cuz its lifetime span is better than the 128GB.
And about the HDD, I got a 3TB HDD, and It's nearly full while having OS and the most games I play on the SSD. JUST the SSD with 120GB is kinda sucky, since sooner or later it will be full, for SURE. Invest those 40 bucks in a 1TB, think about it :p

Kociii
10-09-2014, 10:41 PM
No need to spend cash on Windows 8.1 hahaha :) I rather get Windows 7 :D

GodlikeOo
10-09-2014, 10:50 PM
^ So god damn true. Just get an ISO from the webZ. Much easier, and hella much money saved lol.

jo3bingham
10-09-2014, 10:59 PM
I agree with everyone else about getting Windows 7 over Windows 8, especially on a desktop machine. At least until Windows 10 comes out. Personally, I would wait and save up for a SSD, a better CPU, and a better graphics card. Your setup is fine for your budget, but you'll be kicking yourself for not spending a little more money for better parts. But, at the end of the day, you should only spend as much as you're comfortable with, and on the parts you want.

Sam
10-09-2014, 11:10 PM
Id get at least a 1TB HDD, the price is hardly any different as you pointed out and it will last. (Personally I no longer buy new HDDs smaller then 1TB anymore.)


About your cpu. Again it depends on your needs but the FX-6300 will likely handle anything you will throw at it. Are you doing any CPU intensive tasks such as compiling very large programs, computing math problems, solving algorithms, or running any CAD software? If you answered no to all those then the FX-6300 is a great CPU for you, it can handle games and daily "multi-tasking" computer work. Personally I think the FX-6300 CPU sold by AMD is a great choice, most people dont NEED 8 cores and a $150+ processor.


fx 8320 is cheap too, and way better mate


Yea, 320 is a nice one aswell. I got that one myself. When it comes to playing games like Shadows of Mordor you'll def. need a good CPU. Also you can "unpark" the cores so everything will use every core, not just 2 or 4.
I got the Samsung EVO 840 120GB, why 120GB? Cuz its lifetime span is better than the 128GB.
And about the HDD, I got a 3TB HDD, and It's nearly full while having OS and the most games I play on the SSD. JUST the SSD with 120GB is kinda sucky, since sooner or later it will be full, for SURE. Invest those 40 bucks in a 1TB, think about it :p
That's what I'm thinking of doing. No to all those questions haha. Honestly the only game I play right now is Tibia - I'd like to have the options to expand.


No need to spend cash on Windows 8.1 hahaha :) I rather get Windows 7 :D
That is a good point, saves some money haha. I've never actually used Windows 8.


I agree with everyone else about getting Windows 7 over Windows 8, especially on a desktop machine. At least until Windows 10 comes out. Personally, I would wait and save up for a SSD, a better CPU, and a better graphics card. Your setup is fine for your budget, but you'll be kicking yourself for not spending a little more money for better parts. But, at the end of the day, you should only spend as much as you're comfortable with, and on the parts you want.
I'm really only looking to spend within this budget. I can add a few hundred more dollars if necessary, but I'd rather not. From what I can see, the GTX 750Ti is a good graphics card for what I'm going to be using, so I'll probably stick with that. I'm going to add the 120GB SSD for the OS matched with a 1TB HDD for storage/whatever.

Do you think it's worth it to go with the FX 8320 or 8350 over the FX 6300? Will it be a big noticeable difference? It cost $119 for the 6300, $169 for the 8320 or $199 for the 8350. If it's really worth it, I can spend the extra dough.

J.Dre
10-09-2014, 11:16 PM
I'd like to help you build one. What's your ideal budget and maximum budget? Give me two numbers to work with.

Also, it would be wise to wait. Maxwell GPU's were just announced and there will likely be more released next month (i.e. 950Ti).

Sam
10-09-2014, 11:22 PM
I'd like to help you build one. What's your ideal budget and maximum budget? Give me two numbers to work with.

Also, it would be wise to wait. Maxwell GPU's were just announced and there will likely be more released next month (i.e. 950Ti).
Ideally I'd like to spend 500-600$ (for all the parts, excluding the OS/monitor). The maximum would be 800-900$ (again, excluding OS/monitor).

The reason I want to purchase now is because I am moving to a remote location for work and need something to do. I highly doubt there will be computer stores around there and I'd like to go in and purchase. I suppose I could buy via new egg or something, though.

Thanks for your help!

jo3bingham
10-09-2014, 11:45 PM
As far as graphics cards, I'm not the ideal person to ask. I haven't built, or thought about building, a computer in years, and I don't game so my Macbook does everything I need it to (school stuff, programming, Internet browsing). I do know that you're probably better off buying parts from Newegg or TigerDirect than your local computer store.

J.Dre
10-10-2014, 12:08 AM
@Sam,

Maximum Performance Configuration:


CPU: AMD FX-8350 8-Core Black Edition [+$179] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Series-Edition/dp/B009O7YUF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412899253&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+fx+8350))
GPU: Wait for Maxwell [+$150~]
Motherboard: ASUS Z97-A ATX w/ Intel GbLAN, 3 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 2 PCI, 1 x M.2, 1x SATA Express, 4x SATA 6Gb/s [+$140] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z97--DDR3-2600-Motherboards/dp/B00K2MAU5Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898410&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+Z97-A+ATX))
PSU: Corsair CX 500W ATX/EPS (80 PLUS) [+$50] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Watt-EPS%C2%A0-CX500/dp/B0092ML0MY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898324&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+500w+power+supply))
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 2400MHz [+$95] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FMRV7OY/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687402&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00D2LNLBY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1V4SENY5C092RH8JB142))
Storage (Primary): 128GB Samsung 850 PRO [+$110] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-Internal-Version-MZ-7KE128BW/dp/B00LF10L02/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898718&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+samsung))
Storage (Secondary): Western Digital 1TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache [+$75] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-WD1003FZEX/dp/B00FJRS6FU/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898661&sr=1-4&keywords=1tb+hdd))

Sub-total: $799
Taxes: $55.93
Total: $854.93


Budget Configuration:


Removed - Samsung 850 PRO SSD [-$110]

Sub-total: $689
Taxes: $48.23
Total: $737.23

To save some money, just remove the SSD. It's not necessary. You may think the memory is also unnecessary, but it's only $10 more than 1600MHz memory. So, why not? The GPU price is an estimation. This may go up or down a little bit, but the rest is spot on. That is the best configuration I could come up with right now. Maxwell consumes (on average) 30% less energy. So, a 500W PSU should be plenty.

Hopefully this helps you decide. :cool:

Sam
10-10-2014, 12:37 AM
@Sam,

Maximum Performance Configuration:


CPU: AMD FX-8350 8-Core Black Edition [+$179] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Series-Edition/dp/B009O7YUF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412899253&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+fx+8350))
GPU: Wait for Maxwell [+$150~]
Motherboard: ASUS Z97-A ATX w/ Intel GbLAN, 3 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 2 PCI, 1 x M.2, 1x SATA Express, 4x SATA 6Gb/s [+$140] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z97--DDR3-2600-Motherboards/dp/B00K2MAU5Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898410&sr=1-1&keywords=ASUS+Z97-A+ATX))
PSU: Corsair CX 500W ATX/EPS (80 PLUS) [+$50] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Watt-EPS%C2%A0-CX500/dp/B0092ML0MY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898324&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+500w+power+supply))
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 2400MHz [+$95] (Amazon (Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 DRAM 2400MHz))
Storage (Primary): 128GB Samsung 850 PRO [+$110] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-Internal-Version-MZ-7KE128BW/dp/B00LF10L02/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898718&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+samsung))
Storage (Secondary): Western Digital 1TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache [+$75] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Desktop-WD1003FZEX/dp/B00FJRS6FU/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412898661&sr=1-4&keywords=1tb+hdd))

Sub-total: $799
Taxes: $55.93
Total: $854.93


Budget Configuration:


Removed - Samsung 850 PRO SSD [-$110]

Sub-total: $689
Taxes: $48.23
Total: $737.23

To save some money, just remove the SSD. It's not necessary. You may think the memory is also unnecessary, but it's only $10 more than 1600MHz memory. So, why not? The GPU price is an estimation. This may go up or down a little bit, but the rest is spot on. That is the best configuration I could come up with right now. Maxwell consumes (on average) 30% less energy. So, a 500W PSU should be plenty.

Hopefully this helps you decide. :cool:

Thanks J.Dre, really appreciate your help.

I'm probably looking to buy before Maxwell is released - under those circumstances do you think the GTX 750Ti is a good option?

J.Dre
10-10-2014, 12:46 AM
Thanks @<a href="http://forums.xenobot.net/member.php?u=368" target="_blank">J.Dre</a>, really appreciate your help.

I'm probably looking to buy before Maxwell is released - under those circumstances do you think the GTX 750Ti is a good option?

If you absolutely cannot wait until next month, then yeah, I guess the GTX 750Ti is an acceptable card for your budget. However, the GTX 760 is the card I recommend you take a look at. The 760 performs about 30% better and is only $70~ more than the 750Ti. :cool:

EVGA GeForce GTX 760 SuperClocked [+$229] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2765-KR/dp/B00DHW4HXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412901640&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+760+ti))

GTX 760:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXyX8J0pRrg

Sam
10-10-2014, 12:51 AM
If you absolutely cannot wait until next month, then yeah, I guess the GTX 750Ti is an acceptable card for your budget. However, the GTX 760 is the card I recommend you take a look at. The 760 performs about 30% better and is only $70~ more than the 750Ti. :cool:

EVGA GeForce GTX 760 SuperClocked [+$229] (Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2765-KR/dp/B00DHW4HXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412901640&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+760+ti))

GTX 760:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXyX8J0pRrg

Okay sweet, I'll check out some reviews and look into it.

Now let's say I don't want to spend the full $800 - would you go with the FX 8350 and a basic HDD (could always upgrade to an SSD later, right?) or the FX 6300 with the HDD and an SSD? I mean from what I can tell all the SSD is going to do is make the original OS start-up faster.

J.Dre
10-10-2014, 12:53 AM
Okay sweet, I'll check out some reviews and look into it.

Now let's say I don't want to spend the full $800 - would you go with the FX 8350 and a basic HDD (could always upgrade to an SSD later, right?) or the FX 6300 with the HDD and an SSD? I mean from what I can tell all the SSD is going to do is make the original OS start-up faster.

Go with the better processor. You don't need the SSD. The SSD is basically a luxury item at this point. The AMD FX-8350 will last you much longer. ;)

AMD FX-8350 benchmark: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8350+Eight-Core
AMD FX-6300 benchmark: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6300+Six-Core

Sam
10-10-2014, 12:55 AM
Go with the better processor. You don't need the SSD. The SSD is basically a luxury item at this point. The AMD FX-8350 will last you much longer. ;)
Sounds good. I can always add in an SSD at a later point. When purchasing a case, does it really matter which one I get? Any specific features that it should have?

J.Dre
10-10-2014, 12:58 AM
Sounds good. I can always add in an SSD at a later point. When purchasing a case, does it really matter which one I get? Any specific features that it should have?

Yeah, you can always add an SSD later. Don't sacrifice the other main components for that.

Depends on the size of case you want. They range from $99 to $149. I recommend the Corsair 750D. The 450D / 650D / 750D should all be fine for this build.

I added the benchmarks of the two processors in the post above. Check it out. :cool:

Sam
10-10-2014, 01:04 AM
Yeah, you can always add an SSD later. Don't sacrifice the other main components for that.

Depends on the size of case you want. They range from $99 to $149. I recommend the Corsair 750D. The 450D / 650D / 750D should all be fine for this build.

I added the benchmarks of the two processors in the post above. Check it out. :cool:
Perfect, I appreciate your help man. :)

J.Dre
10-10-2014, 02:06 AM
Perfect, I appreciate your help man. :)

No problem.

barney_jekon
11-19-2014, 01:57 PM
Depends on the size of case you want. They range from $99 to $149. I recommend the Corsair 750D. The 450D / 650D / 750D should all be fine for this build.

This is the very good advice. I have chosen 750D and was really surprised of its powerful performance.

JoaoW
12-09-2014, 10:21 PM
AMD FX-6300 Processor 3.5GHz w/ 14MB Cache
Asus GTX750Ti OC GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Corsair CX Series CX500M Modular Power Supply
Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan
RipjawsX Series 8GB PC3-12800 Dual Channel DDR3

It will cost me roughly $600CAD + the price of case, monitor and windows 8.1

in this pc u can open how much tibia?